“We have no evidence at this time that the reported drone sightings pose a national security or a public safety threat or have a foreign nexus.”
John Kirby, Pentagon Spokesman
It is strange, of course, to learn of drones “the size of SUVs” trolling our skies. And yes, the drone hysteria of 2024 is here. But we need to ask the right questions to understand this situation. For example, are all the sighted objects drones? Perhaps a subset of more mysterious objects is being pursued by government drones. And then, perhaps, the government cannot admit to investigating something they do not fully understand. For, in that event, they would have to admit that our airspace has been penetrated. They would have to admit to incapacity.
On Wednesday the Pentagon confirmed that the drones are not theirs. Of course, there are over one million registered drones in the United States, and there is no way for the military to easily sort them out. Foreign spies, using drones, could be mapping our military bases. But then, our enemies have known where these bases are for many years. Why bring attention to themselves by sending so many drones at once into U.S. bases? Congressman Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told C-SPAN that we need to know “who is behind the drones.” McCaul thinks the drones are under Chinese control, that they are spying on our military bases. And he might be correct.
The current run of drone sightings began in November, with over 5,000 reports from citizens to the FBI. According to Newsweek Magazine of December 18th, a Chinese national was arrested on December 11 for “allegedly flying a drone over and taking photographs of Vandenberg Space Force Base in Santa Barbara County, California.”[i] Does this incident account for all the drone activity? It may, indeed, account for some of it. Members of Congress are alarmed and unhappy with the military’s “amateur hour” briefing on the drone question (as one congressman characterized it).
Of course, those interested in UFOs have another perspective that should be taken into account. Ross Coulthart interviewed UFO “expert” Lue Elizondo[ii] on News Nation Wednesday regarding the New Jersey drone mystery. According to Elizondo, many reports reflect the “Five Observables” that make this more than a question of drones. Those five are, (1) Anti-gravity, (2) Instant acceleration, (3) Hypersonic speed without signatures, (4) Erratic movement, and (5) Trans-Medium travel (i.e., with objects coming out of the water into the air). Elizondo cited a case where a civilian attempted to chase a mystery drone with his own personal drone, but his drone was instantly drained of power and fell to the ground.
Is this hysteria? Possibly. Ross Coulthart reminded his audience that Lue Elizondo and David Grusch, both former military intelligence officials, have alleged that the United States Government has a UFO crash retrieval program that has recovered “non-human technology.” Coulthart asked Elizondo what he thinks of the drone hysteria.
Elizondo replied, “It’s quite possible. I see two scenarios. Either (a) these are all U.S.-made drones [sniffing for nukes] … or (b) we are dealing with two things simultaneously … UAP sightings in which government quadcopters [i.e., drones] are going out to try to find these things [UFOs/UAPs].”
Both Coulthart and Elizondo, who have considerable knowledge of the “Nest Teams” of the Department of Energy, engaged in a fascinating discussion wherein they both effectively debunked the idea that this drone activity is part of a nuclear weapon “sniffing” operation. The Nest Teams, they both agreed, are very effective when it comes to looking for nuclear weapons that have been smuggled into the United States. But these teams do not fly around using colored lights with their transponders turned off. Elizondo asked, “[If they are Nest Teams] why are they breaking protocol by operating only at night? And why are they breaking protocol by not coordinating with state and local and tribal authorities as they should be? Why are they not listed on flight awareness apps? Why aren’t they listing their flight paths with the FAA?”
Here we must return to the fact, noted above, that a Chinese national was caught operating a drone over Vandenberg. And yet, the U.S. Government insists that the mass drone sightings along the Eastern seaboard are not under foreign control. On all points, this kind of statement is puzzling. Either the Pentagon is lying to us, or they are incompetent, or they are hiding something that embarrasses or compromises them. This latter possibility, which is the most frightening of all, leads us to questions touching on the so-called “deep state.”
Some of the reported drones are said to be “as big as an SUV.” How could China operate something that significant without being caught? Would they dare? What if such an object crashed? And yet, the Pentagon says these are not U.S. military drones. As Elizondo and Coulthart maintain, these are not Department of Energy Drones. So, what are they? In trying to answer this question, Coulthart said, “I bled my sources dry. The FBI says the drones are not theirs. Homeland Security says the drones are not theirs, and more importantly the Department of Energy says these things are not theirs. We are running out of available agencies.”[iii]
Are we?
Coulthart then asked a more troubling question. Could these things be from a rogue element within the State? What rogue element could these be? On what kind of mission? Are they a patriotic rogue element, or a faction in league with the nation’s enemies? If our answer lies in this direction, we must determine which kind of rogue element it is.
Neither Coulthart or Elizondo acknowledged the story about the Chinese national caught flying a drone and taking pictures over Vandenberg. Neither acknowledged the extent of Chinese infiltration. The Chinese own a lot of property in the United States. They have large companies with big warehouses and other buildings. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese nationals are here, on U.S. soil. Does anyone really think the Chinese are incapable of operating large drones out of these facilities? Months ago, this website interviewed Mr. Wang of Lude Media who said China was planning on smuggling large numbers of drones into the United States for future operations. I do not think we can rule out China as the culprit.
In concluding this subject, President-elect Trump made a curious statement about the drone sightings. He said, “The government knows what is happening. Our military knows where they took off from…. They know where it came from and where it went. And for some reason, they don’t want to comment. And I think they’d be better off saying what it is. Our military knows and our president knows. And for some reason, they want to keep the people in suspense.”
With this statement, the mystery deepens. [iv]
Links and Notes
[i] https://www.newsweek.com/china-behind-drone-sightings-us-2002995
[ii] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo
[iii] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIGzlGzMSJk
[iv] In this and related matters the “wilderness of mirrors” blinds us. We have not established, in all these mysteries, a proper methodology for understanding the modern state and what it has become. The issue of secrecy, and the practice of self-aggrandizing fraud, is linked to the fact that corruption is endemic throughout our system. But this corruption is not random. It is highly organized. In fact, it is organized because of the initiatives of guilty politicians, bureaucrats, and the police (the middle managers of corruption and crime). In the USSR, the Soviet special services recognized this in the 1950s, in the wake of Stalin’s death and the death of the USSR’s chief organizer of crime – Lavrenti Beria – who was murdered by Khrushchev, Timoshenko, and Zhukov.
The 1953-1956 reorganization of the Soviet secret police and interior ministry under Ivan Serov became, as well, a reorganization of the crime syndicates that ran the Soviet economy. An honest assessment of the Soviet system, then undertaken under Khrushchev’s initiative, contemplated reforms. But there could be no cure as long as the system remained committed to socialism. As Ludwig von Mises once explained, there is no such thing as a socialist economy. Consequently, the criminalization of economic activity merely guarantees a criminal system. Political economy is not a crackpot science. Its sociological aspect is clear: whenever government attempts to ban or regulate a commodity, illicit wealth is created. The State’s enforcers and politicians use their monopoly of violence to enrich themselves from this illicit wealth. One may cite, in this context, the groundbreaking work of the Soviet journalist Arkady Vaksberg, who narrowly escaped assassination when he unlocked the dirty secret of how the Soviet economy actually functioned (as opposed to the ideological illusion of the command economy).
The Soviet system was always a patchwork of bureaucratic fiefdoms, which work in a semi-feudal way. The same is true today. The regional links to the center were not as solid as they were supposed to be when the false liberation reached critical mass in 1991. Some oligarchs began to do their own thing. Some regions began to do their own thing. The power vertical began to break down. They probably did not realize the extent of the damage until 1998. Putin was brought into the system in 1999, in the nick of time, to instill discipline, to repair the power vertical and the fragmenting of horizontal structures. A strengthening of the center over the regions was the plan. Putin was, in essence, a KGB-man sent to put some stick about. In other words, he was a policeman. He was a police organizer. The secret to understanding Putin’s career as President of Russia, is to understand that organized crime is always something imposed by the police. In an absolute state, the criminals do not have enough guns to defeat the regime. The regime therefore decides on the proper functioning of the crime syndicates; that is, in accordance with State purposes. Here we see the real meaning of the term “deep state.”
During Prohibition in America, during the 1920s and 30s, the mayor of Chicago got the best bottle of whiskey smuggled in through the Great Lakes from Canada. The Chicago police stood on the beaches guarding the alcohol shipments of the mafia. The police, of course, got a chunk of the take. Jewish and Irish mobsters organized the shipments from abroad. But at the top of the feeding chain stood the bureaucrats, politicians, and police. The state holds the ultimate monopoly on violence. Thus, any government control of the economy immediately criminalizes the police and political structures. The more state exercises control over commodities, the deeper the corruption and criminalization of the State. Here is an important aspect of our strategic problem; for the Soviet hierarchy became self-aware, and they looked toward America and realized that America also had a corruption problem. Thus the possibility arose of merging the two criminal systems. Of course, this would not be an easy task. Leverage from other dimensions of conflict are needed to break through.
Why do I make such a long note attached to this article? Because part of the UFO mystery may be connected to a larger system of corruption, especially having to do with the flow of money within the research and development system of the Pentagon (and the so-called “black budget”). The congressional testimony we have heard on UFOs indicates corruption in terms of the allocation of defense funds, black projects, etc. Murder has even been alleged in terms of covering up this activity. This might be strategically significant, for the diversion of precious defense funds into some kind of UFO reverse-engineering scam must inevitably damage our strategic position.
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185 responses to “The Great Drone Mystery, UFOs, and Chinese spying”
[…] over and taking photographs of Vandenberg Space Force Base in Santa Barbara County, California.”[i] Does this incident account for all the drone activity? It may, indeed, account for some of it. […]
Mr. Nyquist, do you have any intel on Dr Geer?
This guy continues to sprout his pro-socialist agenda to demand the West disclosing UFO/UAP which I suspect to be the codeword for the last, secret, most advanced technologies for the communists to steal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_M._Greer
https://tv.apple.com/us/show/disclosure-with-dr-steven-greer/umc.cmc.1blad31w5m96419ohvhpyzmos
Yes, I agree with you that Greer is subversive. He talks a lot of socialist nonsense.
Did he say he can summon UFOS?
Of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTK7jyDETAM&ab_channel=FoxBusiness
An interview with the great Gordon G. Chang.
CCP police stations in the US? And Washington allows this? But we have shariah courts operating in a parallel society here in the UK, so I should not be so surprised.
Let’s hope we can get to 20th Jan without any “deep event” occurring.
Frightening.
Canada too. 🇨🇦
Jeff, can you give any insight as to what seems to be of Elon Musk’s
endorsement of the AfD? Is this guy really on our side? He plays to China and seems he’s pro Russia as well?
I was reading a piece today of the AfD, “a party deeply scrutinized for its connections to Moscow and further cements his (Lusk’s) alignment with Kremlin objectives.”
“The AfD has been under investigation for its documented ties to Russian intelligence-linked lobbyists and handlers, including former members who have close relations with Moscow. Russia has been actively providing financial support and conducting strategic influence operations aimed at advancing its interests within Germany and across Europe.”
Billionaires are not necessarily students of politics, strategists, or statesmen.
But most of the times billionaires or wealthy people are communists ideologically. Elon Musk ideologically said that he is a socialist.
“In the United States, the working class are Democrats. The middle class are Republicans. The upper class are Communists.”
Whittaker Chambers
Dr Li Mengyan just posted X post that demonstrates how correct Whittaker Chambers has been about the wealthy class in the West.
https://x.com/DrLiMengYAN1/status/1870255366895980914
Elon Musk has been extremely helpful for the global communists. His acquisition of Twitter and Tesla’s tech transfer to China have been tremendously great for global communism.
Elon musk does not know what a socialist is.
It’s not so simple, and the situation has changed regarding class and Party. Chambers died more than 60 years ago.
After Chambers died more than 60 years ago, do you think that his definition of communism has changed in definition or still remains the same but its followers are diverse?
“I know that I am leaving the winning side for the losing side, but it is better to die on the losing side than to live under Communism.”
Whittaker Chambers
Did Chambers covertly refer to the “Perestroika Deception” plan that Anatoliy Golitsyn and Jan Sejna in his quote? Did he really predict the communists will continue their works to dominate the planet?
You have to read Chambers yourself. He is very important. His definition of communism was not ideological. He called communism man’s “second oldest religion.” That definition is still good.
I’m not so sure Elon is so ignorant he doesn’t know what he is doing. He’s had his close minions (like David Sacks) pumping out non-stop Russian propaganda for some time. He allows thousands of Chinese troll accounts to operate and spread disinformation on twitter. He paid out thousands of dollars a month to freaks like Jackson Hinkle, a propagandist for China and every other communist movement on Earth, or for Kim Dotcom. He has called for Taiwan to become a new Hong Kong under China. He has had conversations with Vladimir Putin that he has not disclosed to the US government. Vivek, who is as big a scammer as Elon (Vivek does pharma scams where Elon does techno scams), nevertheless views Elon as subservient to Xi Jingping.
So Elon has been supporting these freaks for awhile, and finally makes it official that he supports a German freakshow party thats filled with people with ties to Russia and who support Russia and China.
If he’s ignorant, then he is stumbling along just coincidentally supporting the axis of evil over and over again.
The fundemtal of Communism is the lie. Elon plays ARPGames. He’s not reading history. Elon thinks technology will fix the human condition. Like his father did. Trump has an idea like this, based on the common economic intersection theory. Both are ignorant of the motivations of the anthill overturned.
This is a very good comment. Yes. When I write those long, boring essays on philosophy or the sociology of American decline, I am trying to describe how messed up our leaders’ worldview is today. Trump and Musk are our leaders, and their beliefs are naive and even utopian. The times require real knowledge and insight, not a belief in false ideals — like progress or colonizing Mars, or saving the planet from global warming, or saving the planet from America’s deep state imperialists, or befriending Putin and Xi to stop WW3. Discourse on that level is not merely banal. It is also inane.
I think you’ve done a pretty good job making it approachable for most people. You are not dry. I can’t think of a more approprocable book on modern man’s condition than OOTFWW. The bullet point way is very effective. It’s more the audience cant even receive the free ticket. The general state of mind is so low. Even my medium mind stumbling upon your writing rang true. God bless.
Jeff. I’m asked to make a YouTube channel talking about all the things you and Nevin and Alex talk about. You guys have covered it so well, but I don’t think any devilery can make up for lack of common appeal like a Joe Rogan. Yall don’t smoke pot
Not being part of the dominant counter-culture is a disadvantage.
For the record, I don’t smoke pot either. Would be great to see you on Roganiesque show. Alex Jones won’t be hosting you ever again.
Thank goodness. His commercials go on forever and are pure torture.
Stupid and evil frequently intersect. It’s very easy for stupid to get there.
I recall Musk praising the Chinese capability and alacrity for industry. Never a mention of LAO GAI. And then he says he wants to strengthen Us industrial capacity, while trading with China. He’s got 130 IQ and 60 Wisdom.
Re: Elon IQ
Elon doesn’t have high IQ. He is a low IQ person who is only good at scamming and throwing money at problems until something sticks. He began his career with this at Zip2, during the web boom where any stupid idea would make money. He tricked investors into giving him money by showing them a fake super computer. Then once the investors got in, the new IT people had to rewrite the website from scratch because Elon had done such an amateur job. (Elon was also here at the time on a Student Visa, lying to immigration officials saying he wasn’t conducting business, even leaving and re-entering the country on business trips and lying about it. Elon is technically an illegal alien, had the law been enforced on him.)
If you want to know how big of a moron this guy really is, check out this hilarious satire video that nevertheless uses real tweets and audio recordings from Elon:
Ok. Gimme the link. I was never impressed by him. But he’s that big of a Huckster then please elaborate.
That is funny.
This situation again brings up the question: As adept and experienced as the Communists are at penetrating all our systems and stealing all our developments, is their truly yet some pitch Black TechSci Entity that periodically emerges from the most unknowable shadows of America to poke the bear and cruise under the nose of the dragon?
Perhaps this time it is doing so at each installation where foreign actors have been detected messing around. Perhaps in limited but spooky shock and awe of a most chilling type. I imagine some jihadi (one of thousands who recently came over the border alongside so many Chinese) sent by his leader who was trying to fulfill the orders of his Kremlin handler, snooping around some substations within the gates of Vandenberg one moment – then the next being dazzled by an odd aerial display while wondering if this is supposed to be happening… right before he wakes up on a table next to a cow that’s had it’s organs removed.
(sorry guys, I couldn’t resist that last part, but am very serious otherwise.
Our own corrupt system has its own sharks and criminals. They are wily in their own right. All is not so easy for Russia.
Secret American entity cabal of technologists that provoke Russia and decieve China as to there aims? Who? Could they be Shingon Bhudist monks? Or the Jewish Massonicts?
This is conspiracy theory. It’s bs. Why are you saying this? You’re rational before this comment. Does this blog need a CI moderator? I’ve said it before, Jeff has an oyster like patience. I
Potentailly of relevance: Dr. Li-Meng Yan’s podcast from July 29, 2024:
“Xi-CCP is secretly training suicidal AI drones to attack US military bases”
https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/DIR1FF33DD7GW286
As well, it may be useful to review some of the information presented in Mr. Nyquist’s previous interview with Mr. Wang of LuDe Media:
https://jrnyquist.blog/2024/10/04/ccp-plots-to-assassinate-trump-interview-with-lude/
Just in case.
And by “chilling” I don’t mean frightening. I mean a perhaps successful stunning of the Communists’ normal espionage and other games.
Thank you, Jeff, for writing on this topic. This seems to be a prediction coming to pass. I have been thinking about Mr. Wang’s comments from last summer ever since this story hit the news: namely that the military Chinese men are here to attack our bases and that they are smuggling in large numbers of AI operated drones.
Thanks to Anthony Lu for reposting that article. Anthony, you have an inquisitive mind and seem to be helping by posting complimentary pieces so everything is in one place.
Here is my concern. Based on my memory of Mr. Wang’s information: the timing is right; the drone manufacturer points to China; the targets are consistent with his predictions. So, here are my questions.
1. Will you be able to speak with Mr. Wang about these issues for a follow-up article, if warranted?
2. Can the AI already be so advanced that we or China can’t control these drones? How will we know?
3. Why haven’t we shot any of them down? Or, at minimum, captured one to investigate?
4. Do they have weapons or are they capable of carrying weapons?
I listened to the video Trevor posted of you and Jimmy. Excellent as always. Will listen to the new one tomorrow.
In your last essay, you again said Yeltsin’s tried to get the USA to agree that Europe could belong to Russia?How did you discover this? I bet that’s quite a story.
The Yeltsin quote was taken from a document in the Clinton archive declassified in 2018. I wrote an article dedicated to it some months ago, with links to the archive and everything. Guess you missed that one. I do intend to follow up with Mr. Wang. All Chinese military drones are either recon or kamikaze drones. I would not be absolutely sure these are Chinese, but I would guess some are. We have to reserve judgment until we have more information. It seems that one of these drones could crash or get shot down. It looks like a more complicated picture with some of the UFO/UAP type sightings. It appears complicated.
I remember reading that now that you bring it up! I just had forgotten the details of how you became aware of this highly important piece of evidence of Russia’s true objective. I will go back and reread it. Your knowledge is so vast , Jeff. How you track all of this never ceases to impress me.
FYI, Glenn Beck had Rebekah Koffler on to discuss her book, Putin’s Playbook about defeating America. Not one mention of the Boris-Clinton exchange, much less talk of Russia’s intentions on Europe. So aggravated by the poor questions. Almost as if he wants to confirm Putin is the bad guy, but we dare not say the specifics, the actual ugly truths that would require changing his perspective on Ukraine et al.
How did I find it? I have really good readers who give me leads. In this case, a reader on X sent me the links to the Clinton archive, which I read and which blew my mind.
PS – The problem with this subject is the vastness of it, the complexity, the nuances of strategy which few Westerners understand, and the many ideological narratives used by the Russians. People think of ideology as something you believe in. The Russians and Chinese see ideology as a weapon that can crippled an opponent. This is completely alien to us. We are a commercial culture. We do not understand strategy. They have real strategic culture.
Did you ever get to meet with Tucker?
Lady, in regards to question 2: A few years back, I did a medium dive into AI. The most advanced AI generally uses neural networks (or neural nets for short). When they were originally designed, the person who designed them imagined that they mimicked in some sense the neurons in our brain, hence the name. In reality, it appears that our neurons operate in a radically different fashion than neural nets do. A neural net is basically a very elaborate curve fit similar to the linear and quadratic curve fits you learned to do in algebra, but neural nets use nonlinear functions and have thousands of coefficients (in contrast a linear fit has two coefficients and a quadratic fit has three coefficients). As an example, if one wanted to use a neural net to program a drone to fly, they might have a real pilot (or maybe a simulated one) fly the drone a large number of times and record a number of sensor inputs (perhaps a camera, the drone’s pitch, etc.) as well as the pilot control signals for flying the drone (for example, a joystick position). They would then go through a training phase where they use the sensor information as inputs to the neural net and then adjust the coefficients until the outputs of the neural net “match” the pilots control signals in some statistical sense. The neural net would then be able to fly the drone. One problem with neural nets is that the curve fit is not readily visible and with certain inputs the pilot controls may do something unexpected as the curve fit may be bad for these inputs. So the neural net might go “out of control” at times, but one never really loses the ability to control the AI. When I was looking into this there was discussion in the literature about the need to put additional logic layers after the neural net to catch obviously bad outputs.
What I am going to say next probably goes well beyond anything you were thinking about when you asked the question, but since it has been in the news and even discussed among AI practitioners (including Musk), I will go ahead and address it. It has been suggested that eventually AI will reach a point where consciousness will emerge and then AI will start trying to take control of humanity like Skynet in the movie Terminator or at least go pursue its own agenda. This seems like pure science fiction to me. The essence of this discussion boils down to the question of “How does consciousness arise?” Ancient man seemed to believe that consciousness was a part of the spirit – something distinct from the material world. If the near-death experience anecdotes are valid, then these would suggest that the ancient view is right. Of course, MRIs and EEGs have been done of people’s brains while there were in thought and one can see a direct correlation between neural activity and thinking, so there must be some merging of the physical and the spiritual in the brain. However, most modern scientists reject the idea that something exists outside of the material world, and thus they believe that consciousness must somehow arise from purely material mechanisms. Isaac Asimov has famously stated that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Well, consciousness is so far beyond science’s comprehension that to the scientist it is indistinguishable from magic. Thus, the scientist declares that it is magic, except he does not want to use the word magic, so instead of saying that consciousness is magic, he says that it is emergent. There is no example of consciousness emerging from computational engines and as far as I am aware no one has any type of theory that describes how it could happen.
So, I do not believe there is any danger of us losing control of AI. I think the real danger is when evil people are in control of AI. Of course, technology is morally neutral. One way to defend against the evil use of AI , is for good people to learn how to use AI and use it for good purposes.
Consciousness is in the mind, not the brain. And near death experiences have been validated by scientific research, see the work done at UVA.
Especially interesting are lifelong atheists recounting NDE wherein the encounter Christ, are unhappy at seeing him, are convinced of His reality and come back to life and become Christian apologists.
“It has been suggested that eventually AI will reach a point where consciousness will emerge and then AI will start trying to take control of humanity…
There is no example of consciousness emerging from computational engines and as far as I am aware no one has any type of theory that describes how it could happen.
So, I do not believe there is any danger of us losing control of AI. I think the real danger is when evil people are in control of AI. Of course, technology is morally neutral. ”
Whether or not AI systems can achieve consciousness is orthogonal to whether or not AI systems could break free of our control. The former does not have any bearing on the latter. One can easily imagine a super-competent ‘zombie’ AI – devoid of consciousness – that is beyond human control by virtue of its vast computational speed and resources.
For those interested in the subject, a good book from years back is ‘Superintelligence’ by Nick Bostrom.
Ai needs a power source. No grid, no AI. AI can’t build sustain itself. Right?
Anthony, perhaps my comment was directed more at the hysteria I have seen over the last few years than directly to the Lady’s question. For example, Joe Allen on Bannon’s Warroom is always making sensational over-the-top claims about AI as have many big names in the AI industry such as Musk.
When I said that AI “might go ‘out of control’ at times, but one never really loses the ability to control the AI,” I was trying to distinguish between say an operating system crashing and a Rottweiler turning on its owner. The operating system crash is due to a defect in programming; whereas the Rottweiler has a will and it chooses to do something bad. A failure in AI is always like the operating system crash – it comes from a defect in programming.
If you put a computer on a drone and connect it to a gun and program it to kill the enemy, it might malfunction and start killing everyone indiscriminately. If so, it might continue until it runs out of bullets, or fuel, or another weapon takes it out. But is will do so because there was a defect in programming. And this is true whether the computer using traditional programming or neural nets or a combination of the two. And if you increase the computational power by a factor of ten, it can still only continue until it runs out of bullets, or fuel, or another weapon takes it out.
There are two issues here. The first is complexity. Modern programs are extremely complex and it is difficult to ensure that they are truly programmed to do what they are intended to do. The software engineering discipline is predominantly focused on dealing with the complexity and developing techniques that increase the likely that the program does act as intended.
With neural nets, the methods of programming are different as are the failure modes, and one might argue that there is more complexity than with traditional programming, but I think that is debatable. Thus, as more experience is gained with this type of programming, the failure modes become more obvious and software engineers will be and are developing programming techniques to avoid the failure modes.
The second issue is that the computer systems are being giving increasingly influential roles in the various systems across the world. Thus, if a computer program malfunctions, whether it is a traditional program or a neural net, it can cause greater catastrophes. Of course, if a human is in the same position and makes a mistake or intentionally does bad, that person can also create a great catastrophe. There have been a few stories of self-driving cars having accidents; however, people also have accidents. A few years ago, Musk was claiming that on a mile-by-mile basis, the Tesla self-driving cars were already having fewer crashes than humans, and they have been continually improving those programs. Of course, there is always to issue of what if the cars get hacked, etc., but that is another issue.
There is also the question of what is referred to as general AI. This is basically the concept that a computer can eventually be programmed to generally learn and adapt like a human does. While many AI professionals believe that we will eventually get general AI, many others do not. But even if we do, let’s think about how systems are developed. Every system is developed for a purpose. If might always function they way it was intended, but it is developed for a purpose. If a military, say, develops a system that contains general AI, it is going to develop that system with a purpose, say reconnaissance or attacking the enemy. If it goes to the trouble of developing the system to attack the enemy, it is going to be very careful to try to ensure that it does not malfunction, or if that it does malfunction, that there are limits to the harm that it can cause. But even if the military develops a flying drone, say, that has general AI and is programmed to attack the enemy; if it malfunctions and starts to learn to do something inconsistent with its purpose, it has no will to direct that learning. It would be as likely to start learning aerobatics as it would to do something bad.
Again, I am probably responding more to the hysteria I heard than the original question, but I still think the danger of bad people using AI is a much greater threat than an AI system going rogue.
AI is driven by neural nets and there are many different types of nets to perform different operations. Sir Roger Penrose believes that while neurons and neural networks look similar, that our brains operate more at the quantum level than the molecular level. If so, we have a long way to go before we reach human performance levels of intelligence. There is also the question of memory. If memory was only encoded in neural connections, there would be limits, but consider that most people can picture in their minds many experiences from may past years. Again, it may be stored at the quantum level.
All AI nets must be trained with lots of data, and then when they learn enough, they are put into production. This is also quite different from the human way of learning, where we use trial and error over a lifetime to adjust our ways of thinking about things. Current AI could possibly perform automatic training, but when this is tried on the web, people usually feed it with nonsense for fun and cause the network to malfunction. Garbage in, garbage out is always a concern.
In addition, nets have a solution space (a hyper-dimensional space) that they save their training in. If the amount of training data is not large enough, the network will not perform well on inputs it has not seen before, because when the data goes into spaces outside of the training it can produce only random results.
We are a long way from having true human intelligence in a neural network, or even a quantum network for that matter. When you consider human movement, most of our motor control is programmed into our spine nerves. When a baby wilder beast is born, it can quickly get up on its legs and run with the herd within minutes. That is not something human babies can do. We are not provided a pre-programmed running instinct.
Industrial robots can be trained through AI to pick up parts out of bins, but it requires a human to train the camera system to see the part and a robot engineer to translate that into a set of motions to control the robot arm and pick tool. It is not all controlled by the neural network. Throw a different never before seen part into the bin and the robot won’t be able to deal with it.
As far as the drones, many are simply small manned aircraft because people can’t tell what they are in the dark. That is why you shouldn’t shoot at one. There are, however, experimental military drones that are small bus sized and that can carry troops that are made by a division of Stillantis and are currently being tested. There are many things out there flying around that to confuse things.
I will add one more item. Almost all current smart phones have enough AI power to do this. This is being done in the middle east now and is the real thing we need to worry about. Slaughterbots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
A very frightening scenario. We are moving in this direction, unfortunately. This is why any system of extrajudicial killing, like the Pheonix Program in Vietnam, and the drone strikes against Islamic terrorists, is problematic. A battlefield is one thing, assassination is something that destroys society and corrupts the powers-that-be in a very subtle manner.
DAL, thank you for your considered response. We certainly both agree that these are fascinating topics to discuss, and I appreciate reading your thoughts on this. Certainly it is a pleasant aside from reading about evil people who want to destroy us. =)
I will confine myself to only responding to the suggestion that AI consciousness is a necessary condition for it to ‘break free of our control’ or ‘misbehave’. Hopefully I have not misunderstood you or put words in your mouth. I will focus on this passage from your response, because I think it presents a similar sentiment:
“When I said that AI “might go ‘out of control’ at times, but one never really loses the ability to control the AI,” I was trying to distinguish between say an operating system crashing and a Rottweiler turning on its owner. The operating system crash is due to a defect in programming; whereas the Rottweiler has a will and it chooses to do something bad. A failure in AI is always like the operating system crash – it comes from a defect in programming.”
Respectfully, I disagree with this. Specifically,:
“A failure in AI is always like the operating system crash – it comes from a defect in programming.”
We train AI systems because it is impractical or impossible to explicitly program the desired behavior in many complex applications – e.g., it is not possible to explicitly program all the permutations of pixels that an AI attack drone image sensor should recognize when searching for legitimate targets; more so the inputs from a suite of sensors or the inputs from all the sensors in a cooperative AI drone swarm. Crucially, the training process is not considered part of its ‘programming’. The programming is merely in the organization and behavior of the neural network components and the algorithms by which its parameters are adjusted during training. The AI behavior is determined by the actual values of those parameters, which are in turn the result of the training process on specific data sets – none of these are explicitly programmed.
As you have said, a modern AI model is essentially a very complex function of millions or billions of free parameters, and ‘training’ on data sets is the optimization process whereby these parameters are iteratively adjusted such that for a given set of inputs, they produce nearly the desired set of outputs. We are gradually trying to maximize a fitness function (or minimize a cost function). The hope is that the AI model can then produce near the desired outputs when presented with similar, but novel, input data. The AI is expected to generalize from a necessarily finite training set, and the possibility remains for it to produce unintended or aberrant behavior, whether from poor training data or unexpected future inputs. Increasing AI complexity makes the system more difficult for us to understand – more opaque – and will produce a wider range of possible emergent behaviors. We are of course concerned that they may exhibit aberrant or dangerous emergent behavior – which could not be entirely attributed to programming errors.
Of course, none of this necessitates consciousness in the AI. In fact, it is not clear how we would even determine whether an AI were truly conscious. Is the Rottweiler truly conscious, or is it merely the illusion of consciousness arising from the complex interactions between trillions of eukaryotic cells working together to sustain the organism? If we asked a hypothetical, super-competent AI whether it was conscious and it answered in the affirmative, should we take it at its word? How could we verify or test this?
On the question of whether AI can achieve consciousness, I remain agnostic and leave that as a problem for the philosophers to argue over.
“Again, I am probably responding more to the hysteria I heard than the original question, but I still think the danger of bad people using AI is a much greater threat than an AI system going rogue.”
Fair enough! I can certainly appreciate that sentiment. =)
Thank you, DAL. Very good info.
“AI is driven by neural nets and there are many different types of nets to perform different operations. Sir Roger Penrose believes that while neurons and neural networks look similar, that our brains operate more at the quantum level than the molecular level.”
If memory serves, Penrose claimed that quantum information processing occurs in the microtubules, but could not present any evidence to support this. Nor have I seen any evidence to suggest that quantum information processing is a necessary feature of human intelligence.
“If so, we have a long way to go before we reach human performance levels of intelligence. There is also the question of memory. If memory was only encoded in neural connections, there would be limits, but consider that most people can picture in their minds many experiences from may past years.”
AI has already achieved super-human performance in many tasks previously thought to be beyond the capability of such systems. The games of chess and go are particularly famous examples. As well, human memory is notoriously unreliable – certainly not the gold standard. I am not trying to glorify AI, but we should be realistic.
I’ve been a somewhat disinterested observer of AI since ELIZA. ELIZA was a rather ingenious program, written in BASIC, had to fit on an 8-bit computer within 32K of memory. Yet even the latest AI still is based on the same principles.
First of all, it needs a data set. In ELIZA it was hard coded by hand. Today, it is still based on human input. The Chat versions of AI have hoovered up scads of human produced content, made statistical analysis on the words and phrases found, but it cannot tell what is true vs. what is false, what is important vs. what is trivial, and other value judgments. For that, humans need to go through the data to flag the data to be kept and the data to be discarded. The end result is still a human produced data set.
Secondly, AI needs a keyword search. ELIZA had a simple keyword search that then directed the program to the desired responses in the data set. Modern AI has keyword searches into the millions of keywords. Even combinations of keywords working together. Google, Bing, Brave, etc. search engines are examples of simplified AI that pulls up websites with those keywords. Even those search engine data bases are human edited (which is why I never use Google or Bing search). Generative AI, e.g. ChatAI, pulls up data from within the websites that are connected to those keywords.
But the pattern is still there—human created content connected to human created keywords. Even though the programs and data sets have grown from 32K bytes to super computers with petabytes, and the complexity of responses from simple, hand-coded to machine sorted, we still deal with human created and edited data.
The same goes for industrial robots, self-driving cars, pattern recognition, essay writing, image generation, etc. All based ultimately on human creativity. And limited to the data sets in the computers.
As Jeff mentioned “The Five Observables” of UFOs, if we combine this with AI piloting a drone, multiple or a swarm, the primary tech leap remaining to meet these Observables is the advanced propulsion drive. Now, whether this might have been done in a blackest project breakthrough or reverse-engineering of captured advanced civilization craft or even a secret evolution of the three-dimentional thrust success that SpaceX has been displaying as it’s hallmark…
Now add to this the typical limits people have in understanding and describing their perception of UAP events, and here we are.
So, I too am not concerned about rogue AI for the most part. But a new frontier of combat, recon and display brought on by super-agile craft piloted by AI that is following human orders: that is the secret sauce!
Advanced Drive plus excellent fusion (pun intended) of human and AI control. EUREKA.
For further clarity, I’m referring to the AI being onboard the avionics package of the craft, perhaps with backup AI at base, with the human controller safely back at base (with base potentially also being a naval or AWACS mother craft. Thus removing the human limits to acceleration and inertia.
And as I said earlier, could an element in the US have decided to put on some displays of this tech both to the infiltrators hanging out around our bases and key infrastructure and to their bosses in the Kremlin and Beijing? Super-secret General: ” We may not be ready to directly take you on right now, but you need to think twice before pressing the buttons or unleashing the dogs of war or all the legions of wannabe-socialist brainwashed and ignorant chaos misfits.”
Everyone is flying drones everywhere. Governments foreign and domestic, hobbiests, fallen angels, godly angels. Trump said that the .gov knows what the NY/NJ drones are but that the .gov doesn’t want to tell us. A follow up question was – have you been briefed on the drones, Trump- I’m not going to comment on that. https://youtu.be/2ix0z8kFZDg?si=BUVq9vXqaeBmXhBj That one does not have the follow up question- have you been briefed/ I’m not going to comment. But its findable.
My sense is that Trump was talking through his hat. But I don’t know what he knows, or why he won’t say where they come from. It is a mystery. I have no access to the kind of intelligence Trump has. But my gut says that drones cannot be tracked the way he claims.
Trump is getting the briefs that a president would. I didn’t see him claiming any techniques or limits of observational int. Just that he’s saying WE know and THEY won’t say. And Trump says They should say. Its boring. I’ve seen. I’m pretty sure I have the Ufo alien thing meta solved.
Wtf are talking about?
First of all, Emmet Connor is an absolute asset to the anti-communist conference. … even if I have not yet been able to read his book myself (in Germany there is the well-known long delivery time of 3 to 6 months at amazon; the bookstores do not get the book any faster either). Many thanks to Jean for inviting Emmet and for setting up this very informative and clear website https://ircoe.wordpress.com/ … you can also comment there.
Secondly, the whole UFO-UAP technology sounds very much like the achievements of Germany during the Second World War, when Hans Kammler, responsible for high technology, among other things, also drove these developments forward and later various prototypes fell into the hands of the Allies. However, various technologies can still be found in the AWO area of Thuringia, in the mines and shafts of Germany, Czechoslovakia and Austria – only no one officially wants to ‘recover’ this technology. In this context, everyone should also ask themselves how Albert Speer, Minister of Armaments under Adolf Hitler, managed not to end up on the gallows, later write an auto-biography completely detached from his life and, unlike Rudolf Hess, was allowed to leave prison alive.
Anyone interested in UFOs/UAPs should refer to the reports from Chile and Brazil, which reported very early on that “flying objects” were sighted from some mountain caves and shafts that could never be found (near Colonia Dignidad, Chile), while Brazil reported many sightings from the border area with Colombia, including dipping in and out of the sea.
There have been rumors about Nazi connection to UFOs for many years. Albert Speer appears to have been a narcissist or perhaps even a psychopath. A recent biography I read on him was very damning.
Some of my relatives worked as forced laborers on these technologies (the construction of a space station was also discussed); it is confirmed that Eisenhower was in Ohrdruf, Thuringia, and had a look around. What he found was so important that he had the forced laborers he found there, and probably also the residents of the surrounding area, murdered. Thuringia was Stalin’s territory, by the way.
In 1945 and 1946, English and American newspapers reported on some of the discoveries – including the fact that Hitler already had the atom bomb ready for use. The Nuremberg trial records mention a detail near Auschwitz – 6 Poles who had traveled to the Nuremberg trial had with them a document certified by the Polish state, which reported on an atom bomb test in which around 20,000 Auschwitz prisoners were killed. The 6 Poles were murdered and were therefore unable to give their testimony before the court. The English-speaking murderers were never found.
It is time the truth was made public.
…speaking of Speer, I have heard that he had at least one homoerotic relationship with Hitler…
No evidence of nuke there. You are a liar.
Very interesting, Birgit. So the rumors about a German super-weapon has some basis from your personal knowledge? You heard this from relatives, locals? Hitler made some peculiar statements about having a war-winning super-weapon toward the end of the war. Historians treat this as a lie Hitler perpetrated to keep people fighting. But something seems to have been going on. Annie Jacobsen suggested Stalin got this technology and that Roswell was a Russian attempt to create a fake ET incident to scare the USA.
Maybe she’s right. Partly.
But ther all is so much Ufo and abduction phenomenon that can’t be explained as terrestrial government actions. As a Christian, we have to keep in mind that the whole world will come to worship the anti Christ, rejecting all God’s before him. Only an alien revelation can break the bonds of traditional religion. And you have read “Exo Vaticana”
Yes.
@bedlamsbardt1 Have you read the Nuremberg Protocols? If so, why are you calling me a liar? If you have nott read the Protocols yet, you should do so. And then we can talk.
I’m calling you a liar because there is no evidence of a nuclear bomb going off there.
Let’s keep the discussion civil. Birgit has made an unusual set of claims. Let’s give her a chance to cite sources or offer arguments. In general, the history books agree that the German nuclear bomb project was a failure. There were basic things the Germans did not understand. And they had almost no resources dedicated to this compared to the Americans.
@bedlamsbard1 Just read the book by economic historian Rainer Karlsch: Hitler’s Bomb – here is a review of his book launch from 2005: https://gtgj.de/berichte/viel-laerm-um-nichts-was-geschah-im-maerz-1945-auf-dem-truppenuebungsplatz-in-ohrdruf/. Or if you do not speak German, the National Archives can also provide information under RG 457, SRA 14628-32. Or read the article by William H. Stoneman in the Chicago Daily News Service of July 19, 1945: Atomic Bomb Discovery of Germans Told …
@Jeff In “The Memoirs of Felix Kersten” [1947] Kersten, Himmler’s trusted physiotherapist recorded that one of the last conversations he had with Himmler was about a “secret weapon,” more powerful than the V-1 and V-2 rockets, that was to end the war.
“One or two shots and cities like New York or London will simply vanish from the earth”.
He was told of a village built near Auschwitz where the new weapon was tried out. Twenty thousand Jewish men, women, and children were brought to live there. A single shell according to Himmler caused 6,000 degrees of heat and everything and everybody there was burned to ashes. Kersten assumed that the Germans had nearly completed constructing an atomic bomb.
And an excerpt from a conversation between Jackson and Speer during the Nuremberg Tribunal.
An Unusual Exchange at Nuremberg
One Hundred and Sixtieth Day
Friday, 21 June 1946
(quoted by Harald Fath)
At the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunals after the war, an amazing exchange occurred between former architect cum Nazi minister of armaments, Albert Speer, and Mr. Robert H. Jackson, the chief American prosecutor.
JACKSON: “Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.
“The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised.
“A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; that is developed, the explosive developed, temperatures of from 400 degrees to 500 degrees Centigrade and destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.
“Do you know about that experiment?”
SPEER: “No, and I consider it utterly improbable. If we had had such a weapon under preparation, I should have known about it. But we did not have such a weapon. It is clear that in chemical warfare attempts were made on both sides to carry out research on all the weapons one could think of, because one did not know which party would start chemical warfare first…”
As already said, Speer did not have to pay for his actions with his life… what did he offer the Allies in return?
And now to the super bomb, which is by no means an atomic bomb:
The idea of a “Superbomb” was first patented prior to World War Two in Austria, and a modification of the idea was patented in Germany in 1943 [German patent 905.847, 16 March 1943]. Its inventor, Dr. Karl Nowak, explained the reason for his invention as being to create a super bomb without the radioactive fallout effects that were evident from atomic and thermonuclear explosions. In other words, the Nazis were already looking past the thermonuclear age toward the creation of second and third generation weapons systems that would give the same offensive and strategic ‘punch’ but without the side effects.
In theory, the bomb is workable, but was way beyond the technological capabilities of Germany, or any other power, in that time period. Basically, the idea was to create a state of matter in which, through ultra-low temperatures approaching absolute zero, matter would be super-compressed. The idea was then to detonate this material, subjecting it to sudden stress and heat, to create a sudden and massive expansion and explosion, and therewith, an enormous, H-bomb sized blast. Thus, there may have been a basis in actual German secret research for the incredible claim of the Japanese military attaché in Stockholm’s 1943 report to Tokyo that the Germans were investigating the properties of super-dense matter for weaponization.
According to news reports of January 2016, the United States military is replacing the fixed tail section of the B61 bomb with steerable fins and adding other advanced technology. The result is a bomb that can make more accurate nuclear strikes and a warhead whose destructive power can be adjusted to minimize collateral damage and radioactive fallout.
After the Second World War, the Allies (especially USA) stole so many patents, descriptions and prototypes from Germany and Austria that they were no longer even able to record the number, but only measured the theft in tons.
Dear Birgit, I think that it is highly unlikely that any nuclear or quasi nuclear (30-50 tons of conventional explosives) was conducted within or in the vicinity of Auschwitz or any other German death and concentration camps in the OCCUPIED Poland. Despite of enormity of the risk presented to them and their families the member of the Polish underground resistance movement, Polish Home Army, tried to monitor activities within and around those places as closely as possible. The most notable and noble example is a case of the greatest hero of WW2, Captain Witold Pilecki who has managed to infiltrate the Auschwitz death camp personally, then escape and coauthor the special report which then was smuggled to the Allies aby another super-hero, Jan Karski.
It is impossible that such large-scale explosion would take place unnoticed.
For example, the fighters from Armia Krajowa (Polish Home Army) managed even to intercept and then smuggle to Britain the entire unexploded V1 flying bomb when it failed to explode and landed in the marches. This is an example of how highly efficient the Polish resistance fighter have been.
However, in the Sudety mountains, in the southern part of Polish Silesia there are still large swaths of vast underground military installations which are still unexplored because they were flooded or entrances to them is blocked by rubble caused by detonations as the retreating Germans were trying to cover any traces of their works conducted there.
I have a nephew in the city of my origin, Zielona Gora who is a compassionate hobbyist researcher of the Sudety region and the war time mysteries related to it. He is convinced that in those underground facilities Germans have been conducting highly advanced research with nuclear weapons and that they were much closer to acquire the nuclear weapons than it is widely believed.
During my last trip to Poland in this year, we planned to make a trip to those installations however those areas have been completely devastated by the once in a Century flooding.
It is also worthy to mention that the above-mentioned tragedy could have been easily avoided if it wasn’t for the local eco-terrorists who brainwashed the local population and managed to prevent four dams and artificial lakes to be build.
I hope that during my next trip to Pland the next (2025) year I will be able to visit and explore those installations together with my nephew.
Regards – Bogdan
Thank you, Bogdan, for your perspective on this potentially terrible fact. As far as I know, the Germans built much smaller atom bombs for their tests, which at least that is the information I found about a test in Ohrdruf, Thuringia, in March 1945. The atom bomb is said to have exploded by means of chemically ignited fusion (see also Rainer Karlsch: Hitler’s Bomb). That could also have been the case in Auschwitz, if the information from Poland and the Nuremberg Tribunal about the test there is correct.
No mystery here. The Politicians are pushing for banning Drones now.
Guns first and now Drones. A huge Psy-Op to take more of our freedoms.
Ridiculous. Impossible to ban drones. How can they and how is a drone ban enforceable? Any drone companies going to lobby against this?
Drones are licensed to all sorts of professionals who use them in their businesses.
And non professionals can build them in the garage. There are ways to get around ID on FAA licensed drones. It’s stupid easy. Suggesting its an Psyop. Not buying it.
Birgit, I have a question for you.
Your last comment to me, was that one must read and understand Lenin and Gramsci in order to “really understand everything” -about Communism I suppose.
So, I’ve been looking into some if your writings, and i wonder how your understanding of the “algorithm” you mentioned, -I assume based on your understanding of Lenin and Gramsci- have led you to conclude that Great Britain is the biggest threat to the world?
Here is one of your articles for readers to read for themselves:
https://www.manova.news/artikel/wo-gehst-du-hin-amerika
As an interesting aside, I also had no idea that the British were so influential behind the scenes in guiding America into its civil war:
https://magazin.ksbforum.info/clovek-spolocnost/dejiny-historia/likvidacia-ameriky/
Those conspiratorial British, ever conspiring to resubjagate America and bring in a New World Order it seems.
You said I was harming and pilloring Xeno Man by stating I think he is a troll. But, many on here are suspicious of him based on many of his comments. There’s no way I could harm him though, because how could I harm an avatar? All we have to go on are his comments.
Also, I have seen your refer to the Berlin Wall as the “Fascist Wall” in one of your comments, and to East Germany (in the Communist/Free world context) as Central Germany.
I myself am still pursuing my study of Communism. I’ve read some of Lenin, and am not unfamiliar with Gramsci, though I don’t yet know them intimately as you imply you do, but I just don’t yet see them pointing me to a British conspiracy of international dimensions yet.
I am aware that there are strategies on different levels, geared toward different facets and institutions of the West. But, the overall international, geopolitical strategy revealed by Golitsyn has played out just as he said, and this did not substantially change.
So, I wonder, are you here to complement Jeff’s work and support his thesis, or is it something else? Why were my comments to Xeno Man so bothersome to you?
I wasn’t going to quote from these extensive essays of confusion, but this statement from the essay “Where Are You Going, America?” Is disturbing:
“As light shines more and more on the Anglophiles within the United States, time is running out to respond appropriately to these people removed from the shadows. Only a strong commitment by patriotic forces in the United States and other Western nations to ally with Russia and China to create a new multipolar system can put the United States back on the tracks of leaders such as Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy had introduced. All of humanity would benefit.”
I will probably understand this once my understanding of Lenin and Gramsci is more complete, but right now, I basically see Communist BS, or maybe just someone who is extreeeemely confused.
How about this one, from the same essay?
“The current intention of the British oligarchy is not only to turn the United States against Russia and China, but also to turn these two, as well as a variety of other nations, against the United States in order to manipulate all sides into an irreversible geopolitical conflict.”
And so, this is a taste of the reasoning of a person who quickly rushed to the aid of a commenter that several -including Jeff- have had at least entertained suspicions of being a troll.
Crazy stuff, Mrs Naujeck. Crazy indeed.
Or, maybe it’s “crazy like a fox”.
You are doing our homework for us, GreyKnight. Birgit has an ideological agenda which aligns with Russia and China. She blames everything on the British aristocracy, or some such. The United States has been targeted for destruction by Russia and China, according to secret agreements described by the GRU defector Stanislav Lunev. Birgit has apparently approached this site without explaining her ideas clearly. She has basic, fundamental disagreements with my analysis. Yet she has seemed to agree, and to be a friend of this site.
I would say she is definitely not a friend to what you are trying to do, and those of us who are in agreement and appreciate your work. I must confess though, that a person I think is truly your friend alerted me to her essays -the Contemplative Observer.
I wasn’t going to expose her, Jeff, but I didn’t want her to continue to build a presence here and possibly confuse many of your readers.
Many thanks to the Contemplative Observer!
Good questions, GreyKnight. There is this constant infiltration of the right, which is steadier than Chinese water torture. It attempts to enter the tent gradually, in seeming agreement. But it carries the enemy’s false narratives into the right, and contaminates us.
Indeed, and she has many other such like essays. I’m not trying to bulky anyone, but this lady is not an honest person. Her own writings show her to be dangerously confused at the very least. Either she is purposefully spreading Communist-spawned conspiracy theories, or she has swallowed them herself and is “innocently” helping propagate them. But, the fact that she engages here and also is quick to defend a person whose motives are questioned for many times contradicting not only your work, but Golitsyn as well, seems very telling to me. Especially since she claims a deep understanding of the Communists. In the brief dialogue between her and I last week, I felt like I was akin to the main character in the book Darkness at Noon, when his Soviet interrogator pretended to engage him in friendly debate.
We are engaged in a cross-the board psychological warfare game. And you spotted something interesting. I am grateful.
“Only a strong commitment by patriotic forces in the United States and other Western nations to ally with Russia and China to create a new multipolar system can put the United States back on the tracks of leaders such as Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy had introduced. All of humanity would benefit.”
…
Whoa.
That is a pretty messed up statement.
GreyKnight, thank you for the diligent work you did in going through Birgit’s online writings. Those quotes from her essays are concerning. If she no longer thinks that Britain is trying to rule the world, it would be interesting to hear what caused her to change her mind. It would be educative to get an inside look into this strange niche – who are the people pushing this conspiracy and why.
You are right, in that we must guard against surreptitious communist disinformation coated in layers of truth. It seems that the closer people get to uncovering the pattern of Russian and Chinese deception, the more sophisticated the fake anti-communist conspiracy theories planted in their path to lead them astray. This idea that a British oligarchy secretly controls America and Europe, and is manipulating them into fighting against Russia and China for nefarious reasons, seems to be one such clever conspiracy theory. I have a feeling it was designed to appeal to non-Anglo European anti-communists who, for whatever reason, feel more comfortable blaming the British Empire rather than the Russian Empire for the current rot in the West. It is interesting that both Alex Benesch and Birgit Naujeck seem to subscribe to slightly different versions of this theory, although Alex never went as far as saying the West should ally with Russia and China. Going by some of Alex’s offhand comments during the weekly Friends & Enemies videos, it sounds like he hasn’t totally abandoned the idea of the British playing a bigger role in communism’s advancement than what Golitsyn’s revelations would suggest. Only two weeks ago he was again floating the theory that Britain was behind the French Revolution and the rise of conspiracy literature in the 19th century.
All I can say is that demonstrating cause and effect, and who manipulated who, is a very hard sell to some people when it comes to the topic of communism.
@Anthony Lu It is fatal to quote a paragraph from an article that is the last in a series of four. The first article (https://www.manova.news/artikel/die-russisch-amerikanische-freundschaft – I am convinced that the avatar GreyKnight has at least read all my articles listed on this website) already defined in the header the goal of introducing a political (extreme left) discussion group into the history of economic cooperation between the USA and Russia, a cooperation that goes back to the philosopher and all-rounder Leibniz. In this series, I not only slaughtered the ever-popular Walter Lippmann and covered Trump’s 1776 initiative, but I would also have liked to report on the relationship between Bernays and Goebbels; however, the correspondence had still not been released at that time. These four articles served to start a conversation with the left.
In addition, the editor-in-chief is an absolute Gramsci supporter who denies any truth about communist Russia, the editorial team is of the same mind and many authors also come from the Marxist camp.
In contrast to Jimmy from Brooklyn, there is no radio or TV format in Germany to find exactly this platform and audience to address subversion and disinformation and start a discussion. So I have used a german internet platform to enable a face-to-face discussion in this case.
Birgit: I don’t understand insofar as you think America must ally with Russia and China. This does not make any sense. Russia and China are working to destroy America and the West.
@Greyknight and Birgitt: The essay you cited has familiar themes as expounded by Lyndon LaRouche and his organization. It has all of the familiar buzzwords. It even quotes Nancy Spannaus, who is one of their top writers/activists. While I’ve been critical of free trade, financialization etc. as most know, I like to steer very sharply away from extremists who are totalitarian in nature. Not my cup of tea, even if they may be correct in some of their analysis. For the record, I don’t subscribe to the British conspiracy theory. Sadly, Britain has been a country in very steep decline since the late 1940s and especially since the 1970s.
I like and appreciate Birgitt’s contributions but the LaRouche stuff is a bit much for me. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Excellent comments, Nevin. As always.
Same to you, Nevin.
I started with Marx (his early poems followed by his search for some new social system) and the Fabian Society; here you find everything that Gramsci later took up and elaborated on – education, upbringing and even feminine communism. Anyone who has read Bertrand Russell’s book ‘The Impact of Science on Society’ will find themselves in the present day. I only read Lenin and Gramsci afterwards and found many things there that I already knew from the Fabians. Who fertilised whom – Lenin and Trotsky were members of the Fabian Society – is basically irrelevant, the goal is the same for everyone: world communism.
My article appeared in Rubikon (no longer in existence) and deals with the brief libertarian phase based on Leibniz. The USA, Russia, Germany and other countries worked together for the benefit of all, and many people lost their poverty. This was brought to an end by the policy of the British Empire, for the first time with the support of the socialist Fabians. Since the end of the War of Independence, there have been repeated interventions by the British, for whatever reason. (Anyone who visits Argentina today probably breathes the same scent of freedom and awakening that existed in an unfortunately far too short period of time in the 19th century.)
The article itself is philosophical in nature, underpinned by political and economic statements.
(Milei is libertarian, while Trump is conservative and above all corporatist-corporatist.
While Milei has nothing to do with the state and thus with any ideologies due to his economic attitude, Trump is dependent on the state to advance his business, he deals with everyone and everything. I think many conservatives see it differently. But I am not American either, I am German and I have my own past and present.)
The Berlin Wall was always referred to as the ‘anti-fascist wall’ throughout central Germany – in other words, the former GDR territory. Until 1991, the term Central Germany for the GDR was also normal in the West. After all, East Germany (East Prussia, parts of Pomerania, Sudetenland, etc.) was only considered to be administered by communist states. That was the case until the 2+4 treaty in 1990. Until this agreement, the West Germans adhered to the borders of 1937 and the Federal Constitutional Court ruled in 1972 that a reunification of Germany was only possible within the borders of 1937.
As some of my ancestors come from East Prussia, I will certainly not forget East Germany. The Gramsci disciples have done an excellent job here; many Germans know nothing and we have politicians in the Bundestag who do not even know Bismarck.
I still stand by this as well.
So even today I can fully understand the ethnic and patriotic Ukrainians who are fighting for their country, who do not want to leave anything to the Russians just because someone insists that peace might come sooner. The German eastern territories were simply annexed ….
While Jeff, for perfectly understandable reasons, concentrates much more on his home country, the USA, I have a somewhat different view of Germany, which was or is already communist-run in large parts (East and Central Germany). That’s why the infiltration of West Germany was so easy.
Now to my comment about Xeno Man. I think it is completely wrong to bash anyone for freely expressing an opinion, to call them a troll (no matter how wrong I may think the statement made is). If I have a different conviction, I oppose it and can discuss with the other person on this basis. That is a fair approach, which I also take with avatars who do not know why they are not using their real name.
It is important to be cautious before bowing to EL ON Musk as some sort of “savior.” Before boarding the Musk Express, it would be wise to truly understand who he is and what he stands for.
Jeff, thank you for this blog post. I just posted a rather long reply, and I think it was filtered out. I excerpted Mr. Wang’s information on drones from some of your previous posts for reference. If the post is too long, feel free not to approve it.
I have moved my residence, and have had to sort through legal matters related to my mother’s recent death, and have had such a large private workload I have not been able to do everything I need to do here. My readers are, thankfully, carrying some of my load by posting interesting things here. I am also engaged in a rather odd research project, which is taking more time than I would like. I am learning many things which, if time allows, I can share.
Thank you, Jeff. No worries, I will try to post it in parts. Interested to hear about your new research project in the coming weeks and months.
Merry Christmas, everyone!
Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Merry Christmas to all.
A few thoughts…
First, are we certain Birgit still believes what she wrote back in 2022? I researched for 1-2 years before finding this blog, and at one point also bought into the conspiracy theory that Britain/Europe was controlling the United States. I didn’t write any blog posts about it, but I certainly could have, if I had been blogging at that time. I definitely wrote a few emails in support of the theory to family members (who were also trying to figure out what on earth was going on, politically here in the US, back in 2015 and 2016). If these emails were quoted here, would my motives for commenting on this blog be questioned? I certainly hope not. Most of us are here seeking truth, and we have found that Jeff’s writings explain the geopolitical reality that is unfolding before us better than just about anyone else’s. Are we really going to require that commenters align with Jeff’s views before they’ve even found his blog, or become familiar with his theories?
Second, I have found some of Birgit’s and XenoMan’s comments extremely interesting and worth considering. They also have elicited some excellent responses from Jeff as he replies to their comments. If they occasionally make a claim that’s slightly off, that is probably just how they see things… not everyone is a communist agent. Additionally, everyone isn’t going to believe exactly the same thing on every issue… that is part of the beauty of our world. I trust that most of this blog’s readers are discerning enough to see through it if a commenter really gets off track. Plus Jeff usually jumps in and corrects them.
Third, I have disagreed with Jeff in the past as I’ve tried to understand certain points he’s making. Usually he’s proven right, and I learn from the process. But if the commenters on this blog are silenced, or bullied into creating an echo chamber for Jeff, is that going to help him, or harm him, in the long run?
I understand shutting down people who are obvious trolls, but this seems a little bit over the top.
No one shut anyone down. No one bullied anyone. I don’t have a button to shut anyone down. No one wants this site to be an echo chamber for Jeff. I don’t agree with him on some things regarding religion, philosophy, etc.
If you didn’t see things about Birgit that warrant scrutiny and calling attention to, then I guess that’s fine. If we can’t call attention to someone saying things that are clearly aligned with Communist lies and flies in the face of extremely knowledgeable defectors who risked everything to reveal what they knew -even living in secrecy for the rest of their lives for saying it, then what are we to do?
And the most crucial lies are often cleverly hidden within a lot of truth or facts.
I guess we are just supposed to maintain an atmosphere of accepting everyone and anything since they say some interesting things?
You can If you want to.
No one has been forced into silence or bullied. If you see it that way, then I can’t help it.
Xeno Man continues to comment right out of the gate on this essay. So, no one has been stopped from saying anything.
Fair enough, GreyKnight. I don’t want to argue with you. I do want to be careful not to embarrass or run people off whose views are gradually coming into alignment with Jeff’s. His thesis is extremely complex, and it may take some time for people to understand all the intricacies– especially if there’s a language barrier, which there is for Birgit, I believe, and possibly for XenoMan, as well.
I also don’t want to discourage new people from posting, who are here to learn.
That’s all. I appreciate your views as much as I do everyone’s on this blog. Thank you for trying to look out for us.
Just one thing, K. Maybe i should do a little self-explaining.
I am concerned about people who may be new to the ideas the things the defectors revealed, and Jeff, Jimmy, Trevor, CO, and maybe a few others picked up on and fleshed out further.
I don’t want any potential people just becoming aware of the ongoing, morphing, manipulative, global Communist movement to be led out into poisonous waters by someone who is either extremely confused themselves, or purposefully trying to poison the narrative.
And, it is a disservice to the defectors to allow someone to willy nilly cast confusion or sow confusion on what they risked their lives and families’ lives to reveal.
Just take Golitsyn. He clearly planned out his defection and mission to the West fir some time. He put a lot of Soviet documents to memory. He had a wife and child when he defected, and he carried out his plan to get them safely into the West.
He spent twenty years putting together the book we know as New Lies for Old. He lived and moved in secrecy fir the rest of his life, as I’m sure his wife and child (I think it was a daughter) did.
I consider it a disservice to allow someone to cast doubt on Golitsyn.
Or Pacepa. He is another one who defected, revealed much, and was forced to live a life of secrecy after his defection.
If it weren’t for the few men like these, then we wouldnt have the work of Jeff, Trevor, Jimmy etc.
So, when someone continually spews stuff out contrary to those who have proved to be genuine, whether they are simply confused (which I do allow for) or not, then at some point, it has to be addressed, if only for the sake of those just starting to learn.
And, I know you know this as well as I, but when an honest, well-intended person is rebuked or corrected on errors (in this case, very serious errors), they will reconsider, and change course.
We have to all look out for each other.
Excellent points, K. We do not want an echo chamber.
@K I still stand by the article from 2022. Only not everything I wrote has been published. It is still my belief that both the Fabian Society and the Milner Group (also known as the round table) launched a kind of major attack on the USA in order to soften and socialize America’s conservative (economic) traits. This was made possible by various groups such as the Royal Institute of International Affairs (now Chatham House) and the Council of Foreign Affairs, which it co-founded. I also see this as the laying of the foundation stone of globalism, which at some point also let philanthropists like Gates and Soros jump out of its bag.
Since Trump’s CIA Director, Mike Pompeno declared the Covid Live Exercise in 2019, I’ve seen morphing Orbs all over Santa Barbara and Ventura counties, as I’ve mentioned here before. Local law enforcement says they belong to them or Edison, the power company. No word of the mission. From what I’ve seen of resent vids, some of those drones are the same type. There is a new one that I’ve been seeing in California, which has been shown in vids and on the news. These also follow the same flight paths as the others.
Then there are the plasma Orbs, which Ashton Forbes reports on. I’ve seen those as well. They would seem to be the same as the Foo Fighters from during WWII. The first Orbs I saw, were similar to the Phoenix Lights. These encountered me several times between 1988 and 2001. Those ones are telepathic and evil.
All of these have gone largely unnoticed, because most people neglect to look up; until lately. Now it looks like in addition to the above mentioned, everybody wants to show off their toys as if to join in the fad. This makes it all look banal, but it’s not.
Trust the process. Jeff bans them eventually. But calling them out is crucial. I’m very invested in anti Communism and anti Christ. Jeff is a beacon, let’s all be a beacons. Patience is wanting on the troolss. Nyquist and others has been saying for decades that the West does not have a functional Counter Intellegence agency. We don’t. Roger Hollis Obama Walker ring Aldirch Ames Hanssen. Trolls on this site.
Sometimes we have to be friendly, play along, use indirections to find directions out. Some people may be innocent of ill intent. Others may not. The old adage is, “Give them enough rope and let them hang themselves with it.”
@bedlamsbard1 thanks for your earlier, implicitly supportive comment about my program and interviews with Jeff. We have a show planned for January 2025. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
I can’t get my original comment to post for some reason, no matter what keywords I replace or how I divide it. But wanted to at least post the link to this interview with Lude Media again, for anyone who missed it previously. To summarize the most important points of Jeff’s interview with Mr. Wang, China has 150,000+ AI drones, capable of carrying nuclear payloads, that they are smuggling into our country, reassembling, and flying based out of farmland they own next to military bases. I think this interview is the best explanation I’ve seen so far for all the mystery drones that are flying over military installations. Whether the Chinese are testing/training the drones or conducting reconnaissance missions is anyone’s guess at this point.
Here is the link:
https://jrnyquist.blog/2024/06/25/lude-media-chinas-war-plan/
Will check it out.
You are linking to a older article. Thanks.
It seemed to go through this time. Not sure what the censorship mechanism is. Very odd.
There were a lot of brackets [ ] where you were elaborating on your thoughts regarding Mr. Wang’s information. It may have looked spammy to the WordPress filter for that reason. Recently I looked up a little more about how the WordPress filters work. Apparently there are thousands of key phrases that spammers frequently use that trigger the filter. So it could have been a number of different things.
(The post that went through had been totally rewritten. In the one that was flagged, I was quoting your interview with Mr. Wang.)
Yes, sorry, it’s his interview from June.
Wow a lot of germans here…..Good question who is really Birgit Naujeck? To be honest she stopped writing on Manova in 2023, perhaps she just changed her mind in the last two years. She also read the books of Torsten Mann. I am not ashamed to admit that i chaned my opinion as well by reading the books of Torsten Mann.
Wo gehst du hin America has been written in 2022. Maybe she changed her mind. I mean isn’t it strange that she is the only one who is posting here with his name and surname? 1 month ago i discovered this site “Manova” maybe she was not able to delete this articles. I must admit she posted very interesting comments here and she seems to have a really great understanding of communism and literature. Very interesting is what she wrote in Manova about the Bitcoin.
Birgit’s comments have always been interesting.
@Giacomo It is a philosophical, and in my opinion also political-economic text, which points to the infiltration by English ‘agents’. With the emergence of the Milner Group and the Fabian Society and the liaison groups they founded on both sides of the Atlantic, in my opinion the major infiltration of the USA began, which, unlike the War of Independence, was not open but took place in subversive forms. I still stand by the text, even if I was not allowed to go into it in every detail; I am convinced that it was not only Lenin and Trotsky (both were in the Fabian Society) who laid the foundations for the social change in America. Robert Owen alone would certainly never have been able to do this.
Golitsyn & Co. only appeared long afterwards and reported on the subversive nature of the Soviet Union and China. The long-term plan – as we all know – was only developed at the end of the 1950s, even though it goes back to Lenin’s NEP, which was only developed after the ‘infiltration’ of the USA by British groups had already taken place.
As I said, I stand by the text, and if I had changed my mind today, I would still insist that the text not be deleted. Because you have to stand by your mistakes or outdated beliefs too.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Torsten+Mann+&client=ms-android-americamovil-us-revc&sca_esv=1e524b6a6f16a247&ei=yGFnZ-DTIq3tptQPpseLmAc&oq=Torsten+Mann+&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIg1Ub3JzdGVuIE1hbm4gMgcQABiABBgTMgcQABiABBgTMgcQABiABBgTMgcQABiABBgTMgcQABiABBgTMg0QLhiABBgTGMcBGK8BMgcQABiABBgTMgcQABiABBgTSMZZUMgLWIsQcAB4AJABAJgBqwGgAdEDqgEDMC4zuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIDoALEBMICCRAAGLADGAcYHsICBxAAGLADGB7CAgkQABiwAxgKGB7CAgwQABiwAxgHGMcDGB7CAgUQABiABMICBhAAGBYYHpgDAIgGAZAGEZIHBTAuMi4xoAeUFA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp. This guy?
Well Ukraine apparently killed the NBC General. Guy responsible for operations in zones that in a NBC environment or soon to be, or at any time may be, in NBC environment. Did anyone miss this?
Killed the Russian Gen. Kirilov. You guys didn’t have some comments? Implications? Timing ?
Yes, they assassinated him, making the point that Russian generals who use weapons of mass destruction against civilians are fair game.
You should listen to Jeff’s latest podcast with Jimmy, Trevor and Johnny Anderson, in which he talks quite a bit about the assassination of the Russian general and the Ukrainians’ motivations. It seems the Ukrainians are deliberately trying to stoke tensions between Russia and NATO, to get NATO to take the Russian threat to Europe more seriously. Before, whenever Zelensky told European leaders that Russia’s ambitions went far beyond Ukraine, and that Russia will not stop with Ukraine, he was ridiculed and dismissed. But now, with Lavrov himself saying NATO commanders are fair game for retaliation, the Russians have been further provoked into revealing their true face. I sure hope their strategy works and doesn’t backfire, with Western leaders becoming even more supine. As Russia regularly violates all the rules of war and targets civilians, they have no right to complain about the assassination of the general responsible for those attacks. The more important principle is that the distinction between military and civilians was respected, so good on Ukraine.
The rest of the podcast is very interesting too, with some important discussions about Syria, Taiwan, South Korea, and the Iranian Revolution. One important takeaway is to remember that even before communism, Russia was an empire and not a nation state like most European countries and their former colonies in North America and Australia. The Russians have a well-honed understanding in how to control minority groups in Russia, and more importantly how to infiltrate and exploit minorities in other countries in order to weaken societal cohesion and make those states less able to defend themselves against external attacks. It’s a game the Russians play very well, and it’s very hard for people in the West to wise up to it.
Link to the podcast
https://open.spotify.com/episode/37L6MED2jGFsrjCZKZXvXv
Edward Jay Epstein had some articles about Golitsyn and Nosenko. Golitsyn’s daughter died from drugs.
Edward Jay Epstein had a website with some good articles. Can’t find it. Can yall find it?
@Birgit thank you very much for your comment! Yes i imagined something like that (That you changed your mind) and i have to say i think that your comments are one of the most interesting in the Blog. Anyway the role of Great Britain is really interesting you and Alexander Benesch think that basically modern communism (it already existed second oldest religion) has been developed there. It’s interesting because also Central Banking (communist Tool) or modern atheistic science was born there. According to Alois Irlmaier Great Britain will completley disappear, maybe there is some truth…..
Jeff, are you familiar with, or have you ever spoken to, interviewed Yuri Shvets, former KGB major, who had a cover job as a correspondent in Washington for the Russian news agency Tass during the 1980s?
OK, but the question is now: if the drones are still a controversy on Jan. 20, what happens after then? Does a President Trump order any to be shot down, or not? (Openly, or even secretly?) That is what he has been telegraphing. Or will some powerful influences/people prevent him from doing so, for whatever reason(s)? Now he says he is a person of promises made, promises kept. If he doubles back and doesn’t order the Air Force, Navy, or whomever to take some capture/intercept action, then that is one considerable feather fallen out of his cap. This will be interesting. at the least, to see.
H.R. Holm: The UFO-UAPs and the drones are probably both of U.S. military origin. It was probably an exercise of some kind, with one military branch or other left out. This created confusion, but the confusion has been sorted out. In other words, I suspect we are tresting our own defenses. The military’s handling of all this seems to indicate THEY ARE ALL OURS. I could be wrong, but they might be covering up for technology and capabilities they do not want our enemies to know about. Shooting down the drones, if they are ours, would not be a good idea, LOL.
Remember back during the black helicopters kerfuffle? The military denied them. People were getting all freaked out about who they could be. I saw one fairly close, as well as a few at a distance. I concluded that they were U.S. military. Months later, it was finally admitted that they were Blackhawk helicopters.
(For me, it was the final straw with Rush Limbaugh—he called me and anyone else who had seen those helicopters “kooks”.)
So now with the drone sightings—how many are U.S. military, how many foreign, how many innocent civilian, etc.? Simple, limited drones can be bought at Walmart for less than $200. For less than $1000 drones can be purchased (yes, at Walmart) that can go over 10 miles away and send back video. I would not be surprised if many civilians irresponsibly fly their drones. Until we have definitive answers, watch but don’t get freaked out.
No. I never met him, but I read his book. Why?
I read a 2021 article in the Guardian in which he said that Donald Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset back in 1980.
Let’s hope not. What sources did the Guardian site?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book
Yes, this account of Trump being influenced is well-known. Obviously, the KGB influenced Trump in the 1980s. It’s true. Trump had some opinions that showed Soviet influence. He was not very smart. Many Americans have these traces in their thinking. Of course, influencing someone’s opinions is not the same as recruiting him as an agent. We have all had the wrong ideas at times. Trump definitely shows traces of enemy influence today as well. He has people around him promoting enemy talking points. It’s disturbing but true. However, this is not proof that he has been a Russian agent like Kim Philby and the Cambridge moles. We need something more than erroneous opinions to draw such a conclusion. Trump seriously damaged Russian interests (energy interests) in his first term, and Biden reversed all that damage immediately. How to explain this if Trump was really under Russian control? It does not make sense. I was not impressed by Shvets, by the way.
I remember watching Shvets years ago on CSPAN when he was discussing his book/memoirs on his career in the KGB. Shvets suspiciously claimed that the KGB had no real victories especially in disinformation and that Service A was a joke. He reminds me of Nosenko and all the other fake defectors of the 1960s to the 1980s. I don’t trust him.
I agree with Nevin. I read Shvets’s book when it came out, and when I read his characterization of the Russian services it seemed to be flattery aimed at the CIA and Western services. It did not reflect the real history of the Cold War, I was not impressed with him, and inclined to think he is dishonest or worse. Of course, the SVR has suffered some reversals since Sergey Tretyakov’s defection, but this characterization of the Russian services as incompetent and totally ineffective is not credible. When I spoke to Lunev (GRU) and Konstantin Preobrazhenzky (KGB), and Kalashnikov (KGB) and others, they all admitted that the Russian services were the best in the world, with GRU in front. The Chiense services were almost as good, because the Russians trained them. If you read what Angleton said about the CIA to Joseph Trento, or what he said to Edward Jay Epstein, you get a very poor report of U.S. capabiliteis. Peter Wright said much the same thing about MI5 in Spycatcher. And the French intelligence official, P.L. Thyraud, who defected from the French service because of Golitsyn, gives a devastating picture of the laxness of the British and American services — not to mention the communist infiltration of the French service, which had effectively taken it over during the early 1960s because Charles de Gaulle’s ambition was such that he was always ready to work with communists behind closed doors.
We really are fed a lot of nonsense about intelligence through publications that try and make us feel better about a bad situation.
Here is a post by the Naked Emperor about supersonic drones launched by Chinese weather balloons.https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nakedemperor.substack.com_p_the-2Dhypersonic-2Dchinese-2Ddrones-2Dlaunched-3Futm-5Fsource-3Dsubstack-26utm-5Fmedium-3Demail-23media-2D2e690aed-2Dd1f5-2D4539-2D8a7f-2D3df5156b3b95&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=9RvfOnujFYX_aU0MFAWyymY70b_bgKw_F9PmreTQjTM&m=GrE59jbPtrI6Evqks-zGqBuo9FCdMsT1UcCEiPswVlFGdxkwCyfmg7wg8AmMDH4D&s=usVzq5TczvoUMtr89GvemCyYvrEOzilV5bRMWXCaqMw&e=
Hi Jeff,
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
And I’d request a brief moment to reflect and ask whatever is in charge of this reality for peace and stability in this chaotic world.
Thanks
-Bill Freeman
We live in chaotic times. Sigh. Merry Christmas, Bill.
Jeff,
Merry Christmas and once again a big thank you for all the time and effort you put into your educational essays and videos. Also, Merry Christmas to all the brilliant people who comment on this site as I have learned so much from you.
In regards to Elon, I just listened to a YouTuber asking why Elon has not tweeted one word about the drones. I am curious about that, too.
Also, has Xi said anything about the drones flying around America? And, if not is that unusual?
Elon knows whose drones they are…. Another indicator that they belong to us.
Merry Christmas Jeff. Thanks for educating us, making us all aware of the many dangers associated with the creep of Communism here and across the world. I have much respect for you and all that you do.
Thank you and Merry Christmas to all.
Hello Jeff :
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !
Do you think the “drone” situation in NJ could be our military
showing off advanced tech ? From the videos I saw , it was quite
a light show. Saying , in effect, back off, to our enemies. Whatever and whoever it
was, it was not intended to be clandestine. It was meant to be seen and send
some sort of message.
To the extent that it would cause confusion or distrust, it would fit right into
Soviet strategy. Doesn’t shake me up a bit, because I’m not sure what it is.
And in the case of UAP’s that seem to be of a supernatural
origin. Could there be a team of people assembled, basically of
holy people. ( I know it’s crazy ). It could consist of holy priests, rabbis,
ministers. From what I’ve read, there are certain people who can sense
the diabolic. And get rid of it. What you would not want is some New Age remote
viewers or materialists. Not safe for them, and surely ineffective. Sorry to go off
on a tangent. Food for thought.
I do not know what the latest cutting-edge physics entails. Holy people summoning angels? I don’t think so. In this instance I think we are talking about advanced American technology. But I’m not sure. There is Plato’ theory of a realm of spirits between God and man, which carries messages back and forth. The UFO is symbolic, Carl Jung argued, but also real. Whatever that means, I do not know, except that certain thinkers believe that the entire universe is mediated by symbols, that symbols (or ideas) form the true backdrop to reality. Very confusing, I know. Maybe cutting edge technologies can operate on this level. If so, it is very dangerous indeed.
Here is a better link that works than the previous one I posted. It shows the Chinese military demonstrating their capabilities with a hypersonic drone launched from a weather balloon or aircraft. Just came out on December 19, posted by the Naked Emperor. As a side note, he uses the #6 from the Prisoner series as his moniker.
An unusual weapon combination, but certainly interesting.
Mr. Nyquist, user ‘K’ posted teh following in your previous article comment section:
“@Jeff, I finally had time yesterday to listen to the rest of the 8th Int’l Anti-Communist Conference. Could you please tell me the reasoning behind your belief that China is most likely going to “play nice” through the next four years of the Trump administration, as you stated to Jean Robin? Is it based mainly on the fact that they are going to continue building up to full strength over the next 4-5 years? Is it also partly that Trump is likely to project power, whereas Biden projected weakness? Or is there some other tidbit of information that is coming into play in your calculations.
Also, does this mean you believe that for the next four years, Taiwan is safe even from being quarantined?
Thank you in advance for your thoughts.”
I believe you intended to give a lengthy response, but it was unfortunately lost by WordPress. Time permitting, could you speak to any of this? I was wondering much the same. I have heard you state this in many of your recent interviews / discussions, but I don’t fully understand the reasoning.
I understand that China is continuing to build its nuclear arsenal and navy at an astonishing pace while our arsenal languishes in disrepair. They are expected to achieve peak military advantage in 4-5 years time. As well, the west is inundated by their agents of influence. But how can they risk waiting if their economy (as well as Russia’s) is in such dire straits? Would it not be more prudent to make major moves at the tail-end of an impotent Biden/Harris administration – to take a surer bet, so to speak? Shouldn’t they expect their economic situation to deteriorate further under a stronger Trump/Vance administration?
Anthony Lu: I agree with your questions. Military build up and plans for expansion are one thing, but can their society support it? With the economy in collapse, thousands if not millions of homeless sleeping on the streets, workers not getting paid, companies closing down, banks collapsing and with them people’s savings, examples of people setting up tents and camping in their unfinished apartments, and so forth, how long can this continue before there’s a societal explosion that stops the military build up? Can the CCP keep the lid on for another four years? Can they keep the 100+ thousand troops already in the States quiet for that long?
Another factor, Xi is already an old man, past retirement age. If he wants to see his goals accomplished before he dies, how much longer can he wait? How good is his health?
The CCP may plan on another four years, but are there factors beyond their control that may force their hand before they are fully ready?
The economic factors may push Russia and China to war, but the USA still has working nukes and from what we’ve seen in Ukraine the communists may not have a way to reliably stop our nukes as yet.
I have commented on this so frequently that I hesitate to repeat myself again. It’s from my dinner with the NORAD commanders in September that I was told China’s optimal window for attacking us is at least four years out, maybe further. This is a balance of power issue. They will be getting stronger than us over the next four years whatever Trump does because we have to spend four years rebuilding our military industry before we can begin to catch up. And that is in most all areas. In four years we will be further behind Russia and China. Why would they start a war now when they will be in a better position by waiting? This is simple. I have stated this in many videos since September.
So Jeff, it sounds like you believe the economic factors that we’ve been told (by others) are so dire will not push Russia/China to directly attack the US or its allies until at least 2028 or 2029. This will also allow them to advance when it comes to tech (AI drones, etc) to defend against/destroy our nuclear deterrent. However there is a chance Taiwan could be quarantined at any point between now and then.
Am I summarizing your thoughts correctly?
(I think part of the confusion on this topic is that some of us were talking about Taiwan, Japan & the Philippines being quarantined/attacked, while others were talking about the US being attacked.)
I don’t think the Russian and Chinese immediate strategic intentions, in terms of timing, are clear. They are very carefully to fill the information space with threats of war, anti-imperialist propaganda, rumor, etc. This is a pre-war approach to the information space was first engaged with the Euro-Maidan Revolution in 2014. The Chinese began to talk about war in their military press in April 2020. So, the overt signaling has been ongoing for years. We cannot tell anything by that.
As for China blockading Taiwan, they cannot risk further shock to their economy until they have stabilized their economy. Could they go to war because their economy is collapsing? I don’t think so. Germany’s economy was about to collapse in November 1918 and Germany quit the war. You should not be starting a war in the middle of an economic collapse. But then, these people are socialists and their economic ideas are pretty much upside-down anyway.
Directly attacking the U.S. nuclear deterrent has always been a possibility. But given the failed Russian ICBM test some months ago, and the probable failed nuclear tests, and the war in Ukraine being unresolved, I do not think they can start a general war from this awkward position.
They have a number of good political strategies playing out in Europe. NATO is in bad shape and Germany could be in worse shape next year. The UK is in terrible shape, France is headed into trouble. It is, like a said, something of a “race to the bottom.”
If I were a strategist in Beijing or Moscow I would wait and draw new cards for another hand. I would not go now. Better days could be coming. Never gamble with all your assets unless you know it is a sure thing. Whatever the Chinese have achieved in terms of infiltration, we are still unable to counter them in full.
As Marshal Sokolovskii’s book explained in the 1960s, it is about strategic nuclear weapons and their means of delivery. And our Minuteman Missiles are literally rotting out with no sign of a replacement. That is, our most accurate and lethal delivery system. So, given our shifting political sands, they are better off waiting. Xi and Putin are old and may be disappointed in some sense, but war is an ordeal for younger leaders anyway. I could be wrong, but the danger is not immediate. MAGA has a lot of infiltrators and Trump could be tricked. Why not try that rather than risking a nuclear war?
Russia and China will be stronger in four years, and we will not be catching up until the 2030s.
@Jeff Nyquist: My close friends in the defense companies seriously worry about President Trump and Elon Musk. They’re both huge security liabilities, especially with Musk. Under Musk, he allowed massive security breaches through his contracts via SpaceX and other companies. My friends fear that China and Russia have obtained critical key technologies from the US as we speak. They fear that Trump presidency will see the US adversaries catching up with us in all technologies, so they gave me an estimate around 4 years before the US will get “cooked” in their own words.
This is shocking because it affirms your conversation with NORAD general. I suspect that Russia doesn’t want to end the war in Ukraine, while China will likely aim for similar “Ukraine event” with Taiwan but escalating into warfare against Japan as it captures Taiwan. Both China and Russia want us not to notice them doing real activities, and my friends’ testimony confirm that China and Russia want to finish stealing our tech and science before they can confidently destroy us. So nobody will pay attention to Musk allowing communist agents stealing all techs and assets from the US.
Musk has verbally threatened to undo the current federal investigation against his company’s security breaches. You can realize how much power he has attained after his stunt with the Congress over 2000 pages bill!!
Thank you for this frightening report, David. Please let us know more details. I have heard different versions of this. I have heard a pro-Musk spin. I am interested in your friends who have direct knowledge.
“This is a balance of power issue. They will be getting stronger than us over the next four years whatever Trump does because we have to spend four years rebuilding our military industry before we can begin to catch up. And that is in most all areas. In four years we will be further behind Russia and China. Why would they start a war now when they will be in a better position by waiting?”
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“As for China blockading Taiwan, they cannot risk further shock to their economy until they have stabilized their economy. Could they go to war because their economy is collapsing? I don’t think so.”
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“Directly attacking the U.S. nuclear deterrent has always been a possibility. But given the failed Russian ICBM test some months ago, and the probable failed nuclear tests, and the war in Ukraine being unresolved, I do not think they can start a general war from this awkward position.
They have a number of good political strategies playing out in Europe. NATO is in bad shape and Germany could be in worse shape next year. The UK is in terrible shape, France is headed into trouble. It is, like a said, something of a “race to the bottom.”
If I were a strategist in Beijing or Moscow I would wait and draw new cards for another hand. I would not go now. Better days could be coming. Never gamble with all your assets unless you know it is a sure thing. Whatever the Chinese have achieved in terms of infiltration, we are still unable to counter them in full.
As Marshal Sokolovskii’s book explained in the 1960s, it is about strategic nuclear weapons and their means of delivery. And our Minuteman Missiles are literally rotting out with no sign of a replacement. That is, our most accurate and lethal delivery system. So, given our shifting political sands, they are better off waiting. Xi and Putin are old and may be disappointed in some sense, but war is an ordeal for younger leaders anyway. I could be wrong, but the danger is not immediate. MAGA has a lot of infiltrators and Trump could be tricked. Why not try that rather than risking a nuclear war?”
This is the understanding I was looking for. Thank you.
Dear Jeff, a very interesting statement by the Polish President Adrzej Duda: ” President Trump will not leave Ukraine in the lurch. I smile when I hear those concerns”.
https://niezalezna-pl.translate.goog/polityka/prezydent-duda-trump-nie-zostawi-ukrainy-na-lodzie-usmiecham-sie-gdy-slysze-obawy/533914?_x_tr_sl=pl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
The above article is translatable into English.
As I mentioned few weeks ago relations between Trump and Polish President Duda are excellent, so Duda’s words carry significant weight. They both met recently in Paris, and it seems that they must have had some productive conversation.
The question is: whether that means that Trump has got some secret plans to defeat Putin and help Ukraine to regain her territory or accept the current status quo and then help Ukraine to recover.
Kind regards – Bogdan
Dear Jeff, also, when reading the above article, please, take notice of the enormity of the resources Poland has allocated to help Ukraine. According to Duda’s statement Poland now has allocated 5% of her GDP in various forms of assistance. By comparison, America’s help makes barely 0,2% of her GDP. In such light, the incessant howling of the quasi- Americans protesting help for Ukraine is truly pathetic.
And this is on top of 4.0% of GDP Poland is spending now on her defense and the leadership of the Conservative Law and Justice Party signals that if the party returns to power, the defense spending will raise to 5.0% of GDP.
Imagine if every the so called “Western” country spent so much money on the defense; There would be no totalitarian regimes, no war and no terror, no refuges and no famines.
Most probably, after the conversation with Duda during which Trump learned about Polish plans in respect of defense spending Trump made this demand that all the European members of NATO should increase their defense spending to 5.0% of their GDPs.
Kind regards and Merry Christmas – Bogdan
Poland has been a true European leader. No doubt. Three years of war in Europe and we see major readiness problems with Germany, France, and the UK. This should not be the case. Poland has been the most responsible country on the continent vs. Russia’s aggressive plans.
I would like to know mr Nyquist’s opinion regarding the conspiracy material circulating on the internet, there are two films: 1) the greatest story never told; and 2) Europe: the last battle. You probably know these movies, have you watched them? It is socialist propaganda that basically all alt-right believe.
I am sure that whoever responds point by point to the allegations about these productions will cover up most of the conspiratorial grounds. What material would you recommend that directly responds to each point raised by these productions? Do you know of any documentary that responds to this, or perhaps a bibliography that is sufficient to fully refute everything said in these materials? They provoked a big impact on the public and the censorship against those productions created an atmosphere that the “redpill of conspiracies” is there.
I would like to give my thoughts on this. I have seen The greatest story never told some years ago, so going from memory I might not be completely accurate. It’s long, ca 5 hours. Europa – The last battle is 12 hours, I have not seen that one. I’ve seen the start, so I wonder what is the thing with his tattoo? A teardrop by his left eye?
From memory, The greatest story never told is history revisionism. It is an apologetic for the nazis. It claims that Hitler was right and that the holocaust was the right thing to do. It shifts the blame of the war from Nazi-Germany to the United Kingdom. Pushing hard on the fact that one of the first things that happened after Churchill became prime minister was a bombing raid on Berlin, I think? They also discuss the fact that the Soviet Union had assembled a large force of tanks before Operation Barbarossa. Towards the end there is a long section regarding chemical exploration in Auschwitz, claiming that if the nazis had used gas to kill people there, it should be detectable.
So, that film is deceptive. They obviously put a lot of work into it. Plenty of archive footage that is interesting to see. The general timeline of events is accurate, if I recall correctly. But, and that is a big but, all of the film try to make the nazis, and Hitler especially, look good. So small hints all over the film, plus big chunks that are pure apologetics in favor of the nazis.
That’s my general thoughts about that film.
I have only seen the first of these videos. It is basically pro-Hitler propaganda which undermines the United States. It is a gateway drug for the heroin of antisemitism. A point by point refutation is not worth my time. Read World War II memoirs and biographies, especially the memoirs of those closest to Hitler. These are the friendliest to him yet contain extremely damning facts. The Third Reich was a massively corrupt, murderous regime. Any attempt to justify that regime is not going to involve an honest examination of history. A nation that invades 11 countries, 8 of which were peaceful and neutral, is not an innocent victim of Western “Jewish” finance capital. In general, nations act selfishly in terms of looking out for themselves. Germany was treated unfairly at the end of WWI, but that does not justify Hitler’s insane violence and erroneous claims about the Jews.
Yes, it is propaganda. The point is that nobody speaks about it, although it had a huge impact on the public opinion of the internet, its not just like you don’t have time to do that, but nobody seems to have, nobody seems to care those documentaries even exist except the right-wing socialist bubble, and this makes this kind of speech relatively powerful due to the lack of direct answers against what they say. Many points are very easy to answer, others we need more deep information: they put the Rothschild as the master family of all families (because they are jews and the propagandists need to make the conspiracy jewish they necessarily supersize the Rothschilds above all other families). Since i am watching, i can make all base points in a paper and send to someone interested in debunking point by point in a single article.
I don’t think youtube censorship is a good way of dealing with that kind of speech, this will rather instigate people’s curiosity.
It is very difficult to rebut errors of this time. They can manufacture falsehoods faster than anyone can debunk them. People simply need to be educated. But they love their ignorance.
“House Democrats say GOP caved to Musk in funding bill, protecting his China interests
“Congress passed a stopgap funding bill instead on Saturday, but discarded a provision to screen and regulate U.S. investments in China.
“The scrapped provision ‘would have made it easier to keep cutting-edge AI and quantum computing tech — as well as jobs — in America,’ McGovern wrote on X.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/21/house-democrats-say-gop-caved-to-elon-musk-protecting-china-interests.html#
Can we believe the Democrats?
Good question— especially when it comes to China.
“He’s anti-democracy and pro-Trump: the obscure ‘dark enlightenment’ blogger influencing the next US administration
“Key figures in the incoming administration follow Curtis Yarvin, who’s pushing for an autocratic takeover of the US“
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“In 2022 Vox called Yarvin the ‘person who’s spent the most time gaming out how, exactly, the US government could be toppled and replaced.’”
Apparently Yarvin has influenced JD Vance’s thinking as of late. If the communists are behind this intellectual and his ideas, I find it truly unnerving. Jeff, if you know anything about this movement, I’m all ears.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/21/curtis-yarvin-trump
I seriously doubt Trump is governing according to Yarvin’s scenario, and Vance’s statements could have been made by me — and I do not think like Yarvin. Of course, we could be heading in Yarvin’s direction for a host of reasons having nothing to do with Yarvin’s ideas.